Comments on: The Hand That Rocks The Cradle http://thetexasring.com/2009/10/20/the-hand-that-rocks-the-cradle/ Common Sense In A Ridiculous World Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:28:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Linda Brady Traynham http://thetexasring.com/2009/10/20/the-hand-that-rocks-the-cradle/comment-page-1/#comment-49 Linda Brady Traynham Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:57:27 +0000 http://thetexasring.com/?p=116#comment-49 Old Man River! Long time, no hear from. You promised me an article months ago, and here's a great place to see it. As for subsidies for farmers and ranchers, quick! How do I get some? All I see is out-go. And be sweet to our Kristen. She's a love, and very, very bright, and she only writes about things she knows about. Hugs to all, Linda Old Man River! Long time, no hear from. You promised me an article months ago, and here’s a great place to see it. As for subsidies for farmers and ranchers, quick! How do I get some? All I see is out-go. And be sweet to our Kristen. She’s a love, and very, very bright, and she only writes about things she knows about. Hugs to all, Linda

]]> By: admin http://thetexasring.com/2009/10/20/the-hand-that-rocks-the-cradle/comment-page-1/#comment-48 admin Sat, 24 Oct 2009 02:48:41 +0000 http://thetexasring.com/?p=116#comment-48 OMR "I looked at the map, it appears that urban areas voted mostly for Obama and Rural areas voted for McCain. Thats about all you can say about it." KH The 2008 Presidential Election map, shows the territory won by Republicans was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country. OMR "To classify city dwellers as ALL living in government run housing is a little stretch of the truth. How do you classify rural areas as not recieving Gov assistance?" KH Democrat territory MOSTLY ENCOMPASSES those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare.” OMR "Most people who live in urban areas RARELY get checks from the Government." KH Currently, a family of 4 making $22,050 is considered at poverty level, according to Federal guidelines. Shoot, that’s most of the folks in the county where we live, except the wealthy folks who have retired here, university professors and government officials. OMR Yet every farmer I know (I was a farmer and recieved many of those said checks) recieves quite a tidy sum from the government each year. Not to mention the fact that the subsidies for corn in turn subsidise the cattle, hog and chicken feeders with cheap corn (at least until the ethanol fad). I usually recieved a lot more from the government than what I paid them. Most farmers net more from the Government than they pay in taxes. Its a completely false premise that rural people are somehow independant of the government. Rural areas would not have anyone living in them if it were not for the government. Who gave the land away in the first place? The government did. Who ran the wildly successful University Extension Programs that taught people how to be successful and not to let all the soil erode. The Government did. Who sent troops to fight the indians so that settlers could live in remote areas? The Government. Who bought most of that land in the first place? The government. Im sorry but the premise that rural areas are some how free from the tainting hand of the government is completely false. ADMIN: I totally agree with you on the subsidies issue. You are totally on the mark. On one hand the government hinders the ability of the farmer to plant crops and on the other subsidizes them for their loss. It makes no sense. If you would be willing to expand on your thoughts about farm subsidies I would be interested in posting it as an article. OMR
“I looked at the map, it appears that urban areas voted mostly for Obama and Rural areas voted for McCain. Thats about all you can say about it.”
KH
The 2008 Presidential Election map, shows the territory won by Republicans was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.
OMR
“To classify city dwellers as ALL living in government run housing is a little stretch of the truth. How do you classify rural areas as not recieving Gov assistance?”
KH
Democrat territory MOSTLY ENCOMPASSES those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare.”
OMR
“Most people who live in urban areas RARELY get checks from the Government.”
KH
Currently, a family of 4 making $22,050 is considered at poverty level, according to Federal guidelines. Shoot, that’s most of the folks in the county where we live, except the wealthy folks who have retired here, university professors and government officials.

OMR
Yet every farmer I know (I was a farmer and recieved many of those said checks) recieves quite a tidy sum from the government each year. Not to mention the fact that the subsidies for corn in turn subsidise the cattle, hog and chicken feeders with cheap corn (at least until the ethanol fad). I usually recieved a lot more from the government than what I paid them. Most farmers net more from the Government than they pay in taxes. Its a completely false premise that rural people are somehow independant of the government. Rural areas would not have anyone living in them if it were not for the government. Who gave the land away in the first place? The government did. Who ran the wildly successful University Extension Programs that taught people how to be successful and not to let all the soil erode. The Government did. Who sent troops to fight the indians so that settlers could live in remote areas? The Government. Who bought most of that land in the first place? The government. Im sorry but the premise that rural areas are some how free from the tainting hand of the government is completely false.
ADMIN:
I totally agree with you on the subsidies issue. You are totally on the mark. On one hand the government hinders the ability of the farmer to plant crops and on the other subsidizes them for their loss. It makes no sense.

If you would be willing to expand on your thoughts about farm subsidies I would be interested in posting it as an article.

]]> By: oldmanriver http://thetexasring.com/2009/10/20/the-hand-that-rocks-the-cradle/comment-page-1/#comment-47 oldmanriver Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:19:47 +0000 http://thetexasring.com/?p=116#comment-47 Admin, I looked at the map, it appears that urban areas voted mostly for Obama and Rural areas voted for McCain. Thats about all you can say about it. To classify city dwellers as all living in government run housing is a little stretch of the truth. How do you classify rural areas as not recieving Gov assistance? The entire corn belt depends on agricultural subsidies. Cotton farms in the South depend on gov subsidies. Rural land owners are probably the most subsidized people in the country. Most people who live in urban areas rarely get checks from the Government. Yet every farmer I know (I was a farmer and recieved many of those said checks) recieves quite a tidy sum from the government each year. Not to mention the fact that the subsidies for corn in turn subsidise the cattle, hog and chicken feeders with cheap corn (at least until the ethanol fad). I usually recieved a lot more from the government than what I paid them. Most farmers net more from the Government than they pay in taxes. Its a completely false premise that rural people are somehow independant of the government. Rural areas would not have anyone living in them if it were not for the government. Who gave the land away in the first place? The government did. Who ran the wildly successful University Extension Programs that taught people how to be successful and not to let all the soil erode. The Government did. Who sent troops to fight the indians so that settlers could live in remote areas? The Government. Who bought most of that land in the first place? The government. Im sorry but the premise that rural areas are some how free from the tainting hand of the government is completely false. Admin,

I looked at the map, it appears that urban areas voted mostly for Obama and Rural areas voted for McCain. Thats about all you can say about it. To classify city dwellers as all living in government run housing is a little stretch of the truth. How do you classify rural areas as not recieving Gov assistance? The entire corn belt depends on agricultural subsidies. Cotton farms in the South depend on gov subsidies. Rural land owners are probably the most subsidized people in the country. Most people who live in urban areas rarely get checks from the Government. Yet every farmer I know (I was a farmer and recieved many of those said checks) recieves quite a tidy sum from the government each year. Not to mention the fact that the subsidies for corn in turn subsidise the cattle, hog and chicken feeders with cheap corn (at least until the ethanol fad). I usually recieved a lot more from the government than what I paid them. Most farmers net more from the Government than they pay in taxes. Its a completely false premise that rural people are somehow independant of the government. Rural areas would not have anyone living in them if it were not for the government. Who gave the land away in the first place? The government did. Who ran the wildly successful University Extension Programs that taught people how to be successful and not to let all the soil erode. The Government did. Who sent troops to fight the indians so that settlers could live in remote areas? The Government. Who bought most of that land in the first place? The government. Im sorry but the premise that rural areas are some how free from the tainting hand of the government is completely false.

]]> By: admin http://thetexasring.com/2009/10/20/the-hand-that-rocks-the-cradle/comment-page-1/#comment-46 admin Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:23:30 +0000 http://thetexasring.com/?p=116#comment-46 Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We will edit the corresponding citation to ensure the data is correct. While the citation may be incorrect the data supporting Kristen's taxpayer to land ratio compared to poverty land ration is correct according to http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/athenian.asp which talks about the citation in 2000 "The population of the counties and square miles of areas each won by Bush and Gore appear to be accurate. http://www.usatoday.com/news/vote2000/cbc/map.htm To reiterate the point: This also compares with the 2008 map by Newsmax. http://images.newsmax.com/misc/2008_Election_Map.jpg Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We will edit the corresponding citation to ensure the data is correct.

While the citation may be incorrect the data supporting Kristen’s taxpayer to land ratio compared to poverty land ration is correct according to http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/athenian.asp which talks about the citation in 2000
“The population of the counties and square miles of areas each won by Bush and Gore appear to be accurate.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/vote2000/cbc/map.htm
To reiterate the point:
This also compares with the 2008 map by Newsmax.
http://images.newsmax.com/misc/2008_Election_Map.jpg

]]> By: oldmanriver http://thetexasring.com/2009/10/20/the-hand-that-rocks-the-cradle/comment-page-1/#comment-45 oldmanriver Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:54:08 +0000 http://thetexasring.com/?p=116#comment-45 Joseph Olson is a real Professor at Hamline University School of Law in St. Paul Minnesota but he did not write this, according to his faculty bio page on the university site. Olson called it "bogus" in his disclaimer and said that the eRumor dates back to 2000 and originally was a commentary about the Bush/Gore election which quoted an 1800's Scottish philosopher Alexander Tyler. Joseph Olson is a real Professor at Hamline University School of Law in St. Paul Minnesota but he did not write this, according to his faculty bio page on the university site. Olson called it “bogus” in his disclaimer and said that the eRumor dates back to 2000 and originally was a commentary about the Bush/Gore election which quoted an 1800′s Scottish philosopher Alexander Tyler.

]]> By: Sarah J. http://thetexasring.com/2009/10/20/the-hand-that-rocks-the-cradle/comment-page-1/#comment-40 Sarah J. Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:02:29 +0000 http://thetexasring.com/?p=116#comment-40 Wives and mothers notice these things first. We do the shopping and know how much prices go up. The government is good with making up figures and explanations that don't work. They could wipe out poverty tomorrow if they just lowered the income needed to five dollars a year which only shows that statistics don't buy steaks. What is scary is that every widow on social security is in poverty unless she has some other income. Wives and mothers notice these things first. We do the shopping and know how much prices go up. The government is good with making up figures and explanations that don’t work. They could wipe out poverty tomorrow if they just lowered the income needed to five dollars a year which only shows that statistics don’t buy steaks. What is scary is that every widow on social security is in poverty unless she has some other income.

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