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		<title>By: Essie Feldhacher</title>
		<link>http://thetexasring.com/2010/02/08/converting-chaos-into-order-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator>Essie Feldhacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ack! Thanks for the comment. Hey, I firmly BELIEVE in sunny days - often we mentally make our OWN sunshine when dark clouds are on the horizon. Hope for the best, plan for the worst - take what ya get. Do the &quot;footwork&quot; in proper timing and it spares one the frenzy. &quot;Go with the flow and BE FLEXIBLE&quot; has been my philsophy. Which does NOT mean &quot;crowd follower&quot;, heh, heh.

As it&#039;s said, &quot;Into any life a little rain will fall.&quot; So count on that universal truism and the wisdom. No govt can protect against the fact that &quot;rain&quot; falls on the just/unjust alike. So get what is akin to an umbrella, slicker, gumboots and wait for it to pass, LOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ack! Thanks for the comment. Hey, I firmly BELIEVE in sunny days &#8211; often we mentally make our OWN sunshine when dark clouds are on the horizon. Hope for the best, plan for the worst &#8211; take what ya get. Do the &#8220;footwork&#8221; in proper timing and it spares one the frenzy. &#8220;Go with the flow and BE FLEXIBLE&#8221; has been my philsophy. Which does NOT mean &#8220;crowd follower&#8221;, heh, heh.</p>
<p>As it&#8217;s said, &#8220;Into any life a little rain will fall.&#8221; So count on that universal truism and the wisdom. No govt can protect against the fact that &#8220;rain&#8221; falls on the just/unjust alike. So get what is akin to an umbrella, slicker, gumboots and wait for it to pass, LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: ack!</title>
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		<dc:creator>ack!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is hard to believe in a rainy day
when the govt is your sunshine

provoking stuff Essie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is hard to believe in a rainy day<br />
when the govt is your sunshine</p>
<p>provoking stuff Essie</p>
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		<title>By: Essie Feldhacher</title>
		<link>http://thetexasring.com/2010/02/08/converting-chaos-into-order-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-173</link>
		<dc:creator>Essie Feldhacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 02:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Steve Foste, thanks for the input.

Yes, it is challenging to prep when in major metropolitan areas. There are such built in limitations. All we can do is the best we can do - whether a prepping baby step - or a large leap. Environment and circumstances dictate so much, as do events. Situations that can allow one to remain in the city and survive with some hardship, or situations that require Getting Out of Dodge. The tub system actually can work handily in a GOOD &quot;kit&quot; with the smaller type tubs I&#039;m fond of able to be packed in a trunk, fill a back seat, etecetera. Stored on a shelf until the Grab and Run we hope never happens.

A daughter asked me what I would &quot;do&quot; if it ended up that I &quot;wasted my time&quot; and didn&#039;t live through a SHTF scenario. I was nonplussed and merely informed her that SOMEone would make use of the items - and I had faith it&#039;d be the Good Guys. So there&#039;s peace in what I do - and a sense of &quot;stewardship&quot; for items in my care.

Dear Husband and I have helped people move. I can see why you decided to have some &quot;self-care&quot; and bow out of the endeavor with the ex-wife, LOL. We helped a rather dysfunctional fellow move several times and after the last one enroute home I informed DH...&quot;Never again.&quot;

Caller I.D. can be a wonderful thing, heh heh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Steve Foste, thanks for the input.</p>
<p>Yes, it is challenging to prep when in major metropolitan areas. There are such built in limitations. All we can do is the best we can do &#8211; whether a prepping baby step &#8211; or a large leap. Environment and circumstances dictate so much, as do events. Situations that can allow one to remain in the city and survive with some hardship, or situations that require Getting Out of Dodge. The tub system actually can work handily in a GOOD &#8220;kit&#8221; with the smaller type tubs I&#8217;m fond of able to be packed in a trunk, fill a back seat, etecetera. Stored on a shelf until the Grab and Run we hope never happens.</p>
<p>A daughter asked me what I would &#8220;do&#8221; if it ended up that I &#8220;wasted my time&#8221; and didn&#8217;t live through a SHTF scenario. I was nonplussed and merely informed her that SOMEone would make use of the items &#8211; and I had faith it&#8217;d be the Good Guys. So there&#8217;s peace in what I do &#8211; and a sense of &#8220;stewardship&#8221; for items in my care.</p>
<p>Dear Husband and I have helped people move. I can see why you decided to have some &#8220;self-care&#8221; and bow out of the endeavor with the ex-wife, LOL. We helped a rather dysfunctional fellow move several times and after the last one enroute home I informed DH&#8230;&#8221;Never again.&#8221;</p>
<p>Caller I.D. can be a wonderful thing, heh heh!</p>
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		<title>By: Essie Feldhacher</title>
		<link>http://thetexasring.com/2010/02/08/converting-chaos-into-order-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-172</link>
		<dc:creator>Essie Feldhacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 02:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FaithNotWork - Thanks for the input. I think you&#039;re on the right track. Those of us fortunate enough to have outbuildings and some acreage can prep to a different degree than our brothers and sisters in small town America, or large metropolitan regions, whether &#039;gated communities&#039; (with a lot of rules) or in apartments which also have their own status quo laws to adhere to. 

Stay tuned! More parts to come.

Essie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FaithNotWork &#8211; Thanks for the input. I think you&#8217;re on the right track. Those of us fortunate enough to have outbuildings and some acreage can prep to a different degree than our brothers and sisters in small town America, or large metropolitan regions, whether &#8216;gated communities&#8217; (with a lot of rules) or in apartments which also have their own status quo laws to adhere to. </p>
<p>Stay tuned! More parts to come.</p>
<p>Essie</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Foste</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Foste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not guilty, I am not an ant, grasshopper, nor any of the above- though I do have a garage and a couple of storage closets filled with Junk.  Ten years ago I sold my home and moved to an apartment, when I moved I cleaned out and took 90 percent of all non essential items to goodwill and the items they wouldn’t take then went to the landfill.  It is funny how a change in the economy will make you rethink things and with the current circumstances I have been thinking about cleaning out the closets once again (they are full again of mostly worthless items) ,only this time to begin the process of the Packrat.
 I have a dilemma facing me. What is it I wish to store? What is it that I am preparing for? Economic collapse or natural disaster.  It is a dilemma that  millions of us apartment dwellers face depending on how large a metropolitan area they live in, I live in Denver.  I do not have a fireplace, I do not have a wood stove and I do not have a generator. If the electric grid were to go down I will be cold in the winter and hot in the summer, no way to make coffee or cook a meal. I use to own and Coleman gas two burner camping grill but I hated having those little canister of gas sitting around all the time so I sold it on ebay along with the gas lantern that used the same screw in canisters. I suppose I could use a barbecue and stockpile charcoal but my apartment only allows gas grills, they are a little worried we will burn the place down.  I am not to worried about water there is a lake about twenty feet from my front door, I suppose with enough iodine I could get drinking water and at least take a dip once in a while to deodorize so to speak.

How should I prepare? I suppose that if I consider a natural disaster around Denver then I should be planning how to get out of Dodge so to speak rather than how I was going to survive here, though I may need to survive for a couple of days.  Outside of an unusual blizzard due to….uhmmm global warming… or an earthquake, which may be more likely, I cannot think of very many natural disasters that would cause an evacuation or massive destruction in this region.

Then I think, what if there was a massive earthquake in California, all along the San Andres Fault, unlikely I am sure, but if there were what would happen to the power grid and how much would it affect my region in the way of food and supplies and daily necessities. That would be a completely different situation.  How long would it be before the economy began to suffer how far reaching would such an disaster reach?  This leads me back then to planning more for economic disaster and hardship rather than a local natural disaster.
A local disaster is instantaneous and if you survive it is a matter of seeking a safer location, so my first priority may be to develop my own survival and evacuation plan that would lead me to my prepared long term economic survival location.

So I guess I have answered my question of the newby Packrat.  Develop an evacuation plan which is part of the larger plan of personal and economic survival. 

Interesting and it sounds kind of fun actually.

Back to packrats. My ex-wife, now friend of many years. and my daughter are true packrats.  They have everything they ever purchased or owned.   About 4 years ago my ex made a major move of about 80 miles to a new town, I refused to help in the move, I knew how much stuff she had I had moved it a number times before and she had about 15 years since the last move to pack a few more things away.

It’s ok she had a two grown daughters and  a son to help.

A nice story Essie, Thank you

Steven Foste
Barstool 83 at W&amp;G</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not guilty, I am not an ant, grasshopper, nor any of the above- though I do have a garage and a couple of storage closets filled with Junk.  Ten years ago I sold my home and moved to an apartment, when I moved I cleaned out and took 90 percent of all non essential items to goodwill and the items they wouldn’t take then went to the landfill.  It is funny how a change in the economy will make you rethink things and with the current circumstances I have been thinking about cleaning out the closets once again (they are full again of mostly worthless items) ,only this time to begin the process of the Packrat.<br />
 I have a dilemma facing me. What is it I wish to store? What is it that I am preparing for? Economic collapse or natural disaster.  It is a dilemma that  millions of us apartment dwellers face depending on how large a metropolitan area they live in, I live in Denver.  I do not have a fireplace, I do not have a wood stove and I do not have a generator. If the electric grid were to go down I will be cold in the winter and hot in the summer, no way to make coffee or cook a meal. I use to own and Coleman gas two burner camping grill but I hated having those little canister of gas sitting around all the time so I sold it on ebay along with the gas lantern that used the same screw in canisters. I suppose I could use a barbecue and stockpile charcoal but my apartment only allows gas grills, they are a little worried we will burn the place down.  I am not to worried about water there is a lake about twenty feet from my front door, I suppose with enough iodine I could get drinking water and at least take a dip once in a while to deodorize so to speak.</p>
<p>How should I prepare? I suppose that if I consider a natural disaster around Denver then I should be planning how to get out of Dodge so to speak rather than how I was going to survive here, though I may need to survive for a couple of days.  Outside of an unusual blizzard due to….uhmmm global warming… or an earthquake, which may be more likely, I cannot think of very many natural disasters that would cause an evacuation or massive destruction in this region.</p>
<p>Then I think, what if there was a massive earthquake in California, all along the San Andres Fault, unlikely I am sure, but if there were what would happen to the power grid and how much would it affect my region in the way of food and supplies and daily necessities. That would be a completely different situation.  How long would it be before the economy began to suffer how far reaching would such an disaster reach?  This leads me back then to planning more for economic disaster and hardship rather than a local natural disaster.<br />
A local disaster is instantaneous and if you survive it is a matter of seeking a safer location, so my first priority may be to develop my own survival and evacuation plan that would lead me to my prepared long term economic survival location.</p>
<p>So I guess I have answered my question of the newby Packrat.  Develop an evacuation plan which is part of the larger plan of personal and economic survival. </p>
<p>Interesting and it sounds kind of fun actually.</p>
<p>Back to packrats. My ex-wife, now friend of many years. and my daughter are true packrats.  They have everything they ever purchased or owned.   About 4 years ago my ex made a major move of about 80 miles to a new town, I refused to help in the move, I knew how much stuff she had I had moved it a number times before and she had about 15 years since the last move to pack a few more things away.</p>
<p>It’s ok she had a two grown daughters and  a son to help.</p>
<p>A nice story Essie, Thank you</p>
<p>Steven Foste<br />
Barstool 83 at W&amp;G</p>
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		<title>By: faithnotwork</title>
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		<dc:creator>faithnotwork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Essie, 

Love your writing style. Sounds like you have alot of wisdom. I have been thinking alot about storage lately. I&#039;ve read also that when/if things get bad, you don&#039;t want your energy to be going to trying to declutter and find stuff. Also that all the junk in your barn/home/yard is just going to cause more stress that  you DONT need at that time. I&#039;ve taken to thinking &quot;will I need this for survival&quot;? Most of the time its &quot;no&quot;, so it needs to be either bartered away, sold or given out to someone that can use it. 

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Essie, </p>
<p>Love your writing style. Sounds like you have alot of wisdom. I have been thinking alot about storage lately. I&#8217;ve read also that when/if things get bad, you don&#8217;t want your energy to be going to trying to declutter and find stuff. Also that all the junk in your barn/home/yard is just going to cause more stress that  you DONT need at that time. I&#8217;ve taken to thinking &#8220;will I need this for survival&#8221;? Most of the time its &#8220;no&#8221;, so it needs to be either bartered away, sold or given out to someone that can use it. </p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Tex Norton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tex Norton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When my 43-year-old son was age 10, he asked &quot;Dad, why is everything you own 20 years old?&quot; The other day, he emailed me some pictures of a house in Houston that he is currently remodeling. There in the foreground was a box fan that I had when he was that age 10. &quot;It&#039;s the best box fan I&#039;ve ever had,&quot; he replied. I rest my case.

Welcome to The Texas Ring, Essie.

Cheers, Tex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my 43-year-old son was age 10, he asked &#8220;Dad, why is everything you own 20 years old?&#8221; The other day, he emailed me some pictures of a house in Houston that he is currently remodeling. There in the foreground was a box fan that I had when he was that age 10. &#8220;It&#8217;s the best box fan I&#8217;ve ever had,&#8221; he replied. I rest my case.</p>
<p>Welcome to The Texas Ring, Essie.</p>
<p>Cheers, Tex</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Brady Traynham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Brady Traynham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guilty here of being both a life-long packrat and prepper of many years.  A great article!</description>
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