Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress VS Freedom of Speech
Thursday, April 8th, 2010Author Linda Brady Traynham
I learned a terrific point of law tonight, one which cheers me after a week of being in a funk over fifteen months that feel like thirty years during which not a day has passed during which I have not felt hated, oppressed, threatened, outraged, and depressed by all that “hope and change.” I think learning of this law is the greatest thing to happen to our side since the monsters under my bed grown in the vats (of which more, later) by the national socialists were increased by “hate speech” and the concept of a “hostile work environment.” In my case, let’s increase that to the obvious corollary of a “hostile life environment.”
I came up recently with the notion of “peak education,” an event which occurred about seventy-five years ago. Each generation since then has found that the college diplomae they receive (earn scarcely seems appropriate; particularly in the field of education a PhD is a monument to money and the ability to continue sitting in classrooms long enough) convey little more information than the previous generation got out of a high school education. The relevance of this is that my highschool, in the late Fifties, required a course in Business Law which I still find useful, that being why I can tell you what a “tort” is without calling my lawyer. A tort is any noncriminal action for which you can sue another, and the one in question bids fair to bounce the Statists around for a change, since a case involving it is headed for the Supreme Court.
What is at issue is the difference between “free speech” and things which decent people consider far better left unsaid. Long ago, there were “seven words which cannot be said on radio” (or TV) because they were offensive to the bulk of the population. The concept of “redeeming social value” was used to whittle away at the old-fashioned notion of morality and words which were not to be used in mixed company. If you don’t know how that one turned out, listen to kids in the mall and angry drivers, go to the movies, or turn on your television set. The final faint protest, that “naughty” words should not be broadcast until after youngsters were in bed worked out about as one would expect. I know, I know, we old ladies are so prissy that we haven’t really coped with Clark Gable saying “Damn” to Scarlett O’Hara. This dead controversy has all the meaning of being “ceremonially unclean” to most Americans by now. I was required by an ultra-liberal Philosophy professor to read Lady Chatterly’s Lover in the early Sixties; not only did I see no “redeeming social value” in it, but it was as dull as ditch water, although regarded as the very nearly the raciest book extant, exceeded only by Henry Miller’s on Tropics.
Anyway, the case in point is whether or not it is permissable for a nutcase family to desecrate the funeral of a service man killed in action by showing up holding signs which taunt that God loves dead soldiers and thank Him for ied’s as their way of practicing religion (also guaranteed under the Constitution) by insisting that God is punishing America for rampant espousal of homosexuality. This is highly offensive to most of us, but under the indispensible doctrine of Freedom of Speech must be tolerated. I hold firmly that each individual has the right to say anything he or she pleases, subject to the doctrine that we mustn’t shout “Fire!” in crowded places and the possibility that someone may punch you in the nose while onlookers applauded the action should you have spoken disrespectfully of his wife or daughter–or his son, who died in the line of duty.
Where the issue gets exciting is a tort concerning “Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress,” IIED for short. Laughter…trust the Statists to come up with new “crimes” when there was already a civil remedy for uncivil behavior. We don’t need the concept of “hate speech” if I am offended by being called a “Honkey” or a “Haole,” in Hawaii. It would be better, of course, if people refrained from insulting me deliberately, but in general it is more practical to ignore them. Still, I am perfect liberty to sue any lout who wounds me deliberately by word or deed. If a “hostile work environment” is held to be one where a coworker keeps a Bible or a cross on his/her desk, it can just as easily be claimed–and with far more veracity–that it is hostile to be called names incessantly by politicians and the mainstream media. If I had a job, a desk, and a cross on it all the one who was “offended” need do is avert his or her eyes. I can scarcely keep from being assaulted in print and over the airways by being called “racist,” “homophobic,” “meanspirited,” “xenophobic,” and “un-American” unless I restrict my reading (including newspapers, magazines, the Internet, and political speeches) and curtail my exposure to almost all broadcast material. Such behavior is more than offensive, it is a potential danger to our physical well-being since it incites others to riot, also a no-no under the law.
Everything Pelosi, Reid, Obama, and the most unqualified Secretary of State in at least a hundred and fifty years do inflicts emotional distress upon me intentionally. I daresay they would feel the same about me if they read my work. The difference is that I do not attack their freedoms, their livelihoods, and their pursuit of happiness (well, maybe that, a little bit) as they do mine.
The dichotomy here annoys and distresses me. How can the Statists get away with shrieking about “the ‘N’ word” (which I have never heard used in a long, admittedly sheltered life) yet slam me repeatedly with their idea of ultimate insults incessantly? They fail in their intent because I know that I am not any of the things they claim (including a potential terrorist), but it is high time that we consider where all this is leading in their brave new world. For some years people have been fired or forced out of politics over words that were misconstrued deliberately. Others have lost their jobs over similar issues. A friend reported on a man where she lives who was denied a job as a census taker because the interviewer heard him agree with someone else who said something against the party line in the context of what a judge had ruled. At present the threats are confined to economic harm, but in the past such trends have always lead to incarceration and worse.
One of our problems, dear readers, is that we merely think the Statists are wrong and frequently very funny, while they hate us and want to destroy our way of life. Sure, “political correctness” is extremely amusing, but while we laughed our words and actions have become more and more restricted and dangerous. There is no point in telling the national socialists to “lighten up” or to “get over it” because they aren’t going to. They are going to keep right on backing us into corners and creating ways to fine and jail us for exercising what is left of freedom of speech. Freedom of religion has long since come to mean that you are free to practice any religion, so long as it isn’t Christianity. We Christians are ridiculed, reviled, and legislated against, while Islam is lauded. Mind, I think that Mohamedans are entitled to practice their religion, but not to push theirs on us or receive special dispensations. It is anti-American to forbid prayers in our school, but far worse to encourage little Muslims to flop on the floor and caterwaul in the classroom. What’s next, insisting that Rastafarians have a “right” to sacrifice chickens before tests or in reading class?
The first settlers came to America because they wanted to practice their religions in their all ways, although they certainly weren’t known for allowing others the same privilege. Almost all of our Founding Fathers were devout Christians; our basic documents abound with references to the Almighty. I am not against those who cannot accept our God, and I never forget that He never said that the Jews weren’t still His favorite people. He only said He loved us, too. If others cannot accept our view of theology, the least they could do–rather than use their control of the courts, the MSM, and the Legislature against us–is abide by the concept of “equal treatment before the law.”
It would be the kiss of death to fight this out as a matter of religious freedom, but unless we reverse the trend punish citizens with fines and jail time for expressing their opinions of the Statists very bad things cannot fail to happen. Gee, I wonder if we can get some of them under RICO as well as IIED?
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James says:
April 8th, 2010
10:32 am
Absolutely true. I detest the Statist arrogance and assumptions of virtue completely, and refuse to play their games. I like your application of “national socialists” to these fools; and I prefer “hate speech” to bullets, which is where suppressing “hate speech” threatens to lead.
Very good, keep it coming!
james
Desertrat says:
April 8th, 2010
3:48 pm
Trivia: I, too, failed to find interest in Lady Chatterly’s Problems.
SFAIK, “I don’t give a damn,” is incorrect. It should have been, “I don’t give a tinker’s dam,” but that wouldn’t have had the emotional impact. It would not have come trippingly from the tongue. The tinker’s dam was the little ring of clay to keep solder from spilling away from the repair of a hole in a metal cooking utensil. Valueless after the repair was complete. But who expects knowledge of Real Olde English?
Since I never found anything in the Constitution which spoke to my right to not be offended, I’ve always seen it as a personal matter. I could ignore the offender, or provide an up-close and personal explanation as to the tragic mistake which had been made. “Freedom of Choice”, as it were.
Linda Brady Traynham says:
April 8th, 2010
6:00 pm
Absolutely, my dear Desert Rat. We have tolerated rudeness and disrespect for our views and the Constitution far too long. We are demeaned constantly with the intent to intimidate us, and they have overstrained my tolerance for ignorance and bad manners. We have the whole, beautiful Internet–at least at present–to spread the doctrine that we’re not going to take it any more, and a fine place to start is by chastising the Governor of Virginia by backing down to the true racists.
lynne says:
April 8th, 2010
11:05 pm
Yes most dictators have this trait in conman. We’ll gin up hatred for races or economic classes and they will to busy fighting or agitating against each other and we can do what we want. Pay no attention to the “Man behind the curtain”.
This is when I go back to the old Looney Toons and Pvt Snafu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo_YCX01MCQ&feature=related
The Seahawk with Errol Flynn, full length version (Love story makes more sense as well)
Yes there is evil in the world. I won’t back down when I hear about a prepubescent girl having her genitals mutilated or a girl in Yemen married off at 13 and having “marital relations” so much that she bleeds to death. That is evil and not something I want to understand or overlook. Yes, I will apply my own standards of expected conduct in a civilized world. If you don’t like it I expect you to offer up your own children to express your own open mindedness and cultural tolerance.
Michael Weber says:
April 9th, 2010
7:22 am
Dear Ms. Traynham, I read an article by you titled “Education Bubble ,part 1″, in 2009, and thought you did an excellent job on it, and have dearly wanted to read Education bubble ,part 2. Have you published part 2?
If so, where can I read it? If you haven’t written part 2, I wonder why.Your comment would very much
appreciated.
Kind regards,
Michael Weber
Desertrat says:
April 9th, 2010
9:10 am
Divide and conquer works quite well, obviously. All ya gotta do is look around a bit.
Victim groupings divide folks. Race, sex, sexuality, amunt of income, hey, see some identifiable group as a victim of something, and then show favoritism toward that group. See how easy it is to create resentment?
Same for class warfare: “Tax the rich”.
Create an atmosphere of an absence of responsibility for consequences, via “social costs” and “It’s society’s fault.”
After that, merely remove disciplinary controls over the young. You wind up with the physically adult people who are still emotionally immature and easily described as “rude, crude and grossly uncivil”.
Generally behind on credit card payments, as well.
Essie Feldhacher says:
April 9th, 2010
6:25 pm
This piece hit me like a haymaker, kids, the comments, too. I have detected a lot of nurturing “us” versus “them” whatever the delineation could BE in Life. Then it hit me: I’ve been incensed by what would seem a fostering of dislike back and forth – the Sophisticates in the City Vs the Bubbas Who Know Upon Which Side The Bread Is Buttered.
It’s a conspiracy, I tell ya, a conspircy! Heh, heh…only it really ain’t amusing, is it? I’m a laid-back and easy-going person, but the insulting views I’m dealing with absolutely and positively DO make me feel resentful and it could start causing me to “judge” people by city lot vs country acreage if it doesn’t abate.
mmm says:
April 9th, 2010
11:57 pm
judge by city lot vrs country acres and they will tax both off of their propertys…..
Desertrat says:
April 10th, 2010
8:04 am
A Great Fella once said, “Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do.” That’s all well and good, but it doesn’t apply to this modern degeneration. They CARE not what they do–but they know.
Gets my old red neck lit up and glowing…
oldmanriver says:
April 10th, 2010
3:00 pm
Linda,
As always I enjoy your articles because they make me think! I just don’t see where Christians are being legislated against or reviled. Ridiculed yes, but so is everyone else, nothing is sacred but that is as it should be. There are no laws that say a child cannot pray in school. Any child of any religion can pray whenever they want. I have not heard of any instances where Muslim children spontaneously throw themselves on the ground and caterwaul. All the Muslims I have been around that have prayed in my presence have done so silently. I do not even know if Muslim children are engaged in this during school hours. Personally as a Christian I dont want Christianity encouraged by the state. Christianity is based on belief and I get tired of “believers” whose only reason is that it is the most socially expedient thing to do. I also would not want my child being led in prayer by a teacher that I have no idea what their beliefs are. Im a Lutheran,I would not want my children to be given Baptist, Methodist, Catholic, Morman, Hindu, Muslim etc etc beliefs. As a Christian I think that the State should be secular in all areas. We just dont need that sort of interference from the government. I dont care about anyone else’s faith. My faith is my own personal business and I do not want yours. I do not think that there is a grand conspiracy to foment a pogrom against rural people. I ask you to think about this: why is it that you never hear city people say “boy you sure couldnt find a night out like this in the country”? On the other hand I have heard similar phrases like that from country people on countless occasions talking about how much better country life is than city life. Country people need to quit feeling like they have to justify their lifestyle. Just enjoy your life! I can remember when I went to college. I was the first farmer that most of the people I was friends with had ever known. Of course they had silly questions and held stereotypes about rural people but it was in more fun than anything. The thing is for every stereotype there is a grain of truth in it. I think country people have long had some sort of inferiority complex that causes them to constantly compare themselves with urban people. Urban people dont think about us. They just simply do not care. Their lives have a completely different set of priorities. It makes no sense for them to think about us anyhow. Why do we concern ourselves with them. It dosnt make them better or worse than rural people, it just makes them different. Yes we do produce their food, fiber etc, but even then only about 17% of farms in the USA gross over $100,000. $100,000 is barely the level at which its not just an expensive hobby. Growing commodities you need to be over the $500,000 mark to be able to afford to be a farmer without some sort of outside help even then you still need to take government payments to break even. The vast majority of our food and fiber comes from a very small group of people. So most rural folks dont even produce food and fiber that feeds the country. So why is it that rural people are constantly thinking about urban people? We get more money from them than they do us. Urban people pay the taxes. Farmers spend their entire time avoiding paying taxes. As a farmer if I thought I was going to have to pay taxes I would hurry up and pay some expenses for next year before the end of the year so that I would not have to pay any taxes. I would buy equipment and supplies which usually are free of sales tax as long as its for farm use(which everything is). Think of all the programs for rural electrification and telephone service. There arent enough people in rural areas to support the infrastructure needed to supply them with basic utilities. The amount of money I received from the government always dwarfed the amount that I paid in. I cannot actually think of a time where I paid more in taxes than I received in the form of direct checks from Uncle Sam. That is on a cash basis only and dosnt include non monetary assistance I received. If you have a farm or ranch and you pay taxes…you need a different accountant. As a neighbor of mine once said “you need to farm the land, farm the government and farm the insurance companies.” Rural people come out as the big winners in these things.
The policies you are talking about that limit what you can say or do in the work place were not put in place by the government. Those are corporate policies. They came out of lawsuits against people who had done these things and the company turned a blind eye to what basically amounts to as harassment. There are things which you just do not talk about at work. Religion, sex and politics. It does not matter if the person is talking about Christianity, Hinduism, Politics or their latest night out at a strip bar, you cannot talk about that sort of thing. Actually those are the same things polite people do not talk about either. Some companies enforce this more than others. I as a manager, strictly enforce these policies because I need an efficient workforce, not a bunch of people who are arguing about something that dosnt have anything at all to do with work. Leave your personal beliefs at the door. they do not have anything to do with my plant meeting its goals. More problems are started because of personal beliefs than anything. I simply do not care what you believe. I want you to do your job! You are unique but you are not special!
I think you have what I used to call tractor fever. I always got it in the past from spending too much time driving the tractor and listening to talk radio. I prescribe a weekend going to museums and interesting places or whatever piques your fancy. One of the great things about being on a farm/ranch is that most tasks can be accomplished without thinking about them. It leaves your mind free to wander here and there. It also gives your mind the time to think about grievances, real or imagined. I can remember times when I would come out of the tractor after a long day working ground or walking beans and being so pissed I couldnt see straight, about something that didnt mean a hill of beans. I have noticed the same phenomenon in truck drivers. It always seemed that the more people I was around over a given period of time the more reasonable I became. Taking a vacation from the farm once a month really helped end the me vs everyone else mentality that sets in. I hope this does not seem harsh as I really do enjoy your writing. Its just my two cents so you can take it or leave it.
Desertrat says:
April 11th, 2010
8:06 am
OMR, there is a lot of merit in what you wrote. Trouble is, it’s not the whole picture of today’s world.
I’ve been a subscriber to Range Magazine for several years. There are multitudes of articles therein as to the unending problems for farmers and ranchers stemming from the misuse of governmental powers. Even when one ignores the emotional wording of many of them, the bare recital of facts is astounding.
Remember that the national leadership of our political parties generally subscribe to the unspoken meaning of “flyover country”, as if only the concerns of those of the major cities have merit.
Anyway, check out http://www.rangemagazine.com
‘Rat
oldmanriver says:
April 11th, 2010
1:30 pm
Desertrat,
Thanks for the reply and the link! I have been out of the agriculture game only a couple of years and to a certain extent Im still in it. I understand that the government is a pain in the butt especially when they are telling you how to do your job. I am a certified manure hauler in the State of Illinois. I actually had to take a class and pass a test to be able to haul my own manure, but in the end what the gov is trying to to is to get farmers to use best management practices. The things they teach you at these types of things are good. A good farmer would already know and be doing these things but there are some bad managers out there. I have worked for and with some of these bad managers and observed their practices. They give everyone a bad name and cause a lot of this regulation. T by 2000 comes to mind, I remember as a kid driving in the spring and seeing the ditches filled up with topsoil because everyone was still plowing. The soil was drifting like snow. The feds put an end to that. That was a good thing. Farmers had to be coerced into changing their methods. Farmers dont like change which in their profession is a relatively good thing but it can backfire too. The surest way stay out of trouble with the gov is not to take their money and not to use their land. In that the farmer/rancher has the choice. If a person doesn’t want to take the money they dont have to and they dont have to follow the gov rules. Its that easy, but all your neighbors are taking the cash and since any farmer worth his salt would stab his brother in the back to lease an extra 40 acres, your neighbors will be farming your ground soon enough. So its up to you as my dad would say, you can farm or not. Well I chose not to farm (its a damned expensive addiction, Im thinking about starting a 12 step program for it). I disagree with you about politicians not caring about the concerns of the flyover states. The Farm Bureau is one of the more powerful lobbies in Washington. How do you think we get all these price supports for commodity products? Farmers dont bring enough votes to the table to make a difference anymore. Its the money that flows from agribusiness to Washington that makes the difference. Ethanol is a essentially a farm program with the biggest supporters being the NCGA, Farm Bureau and others. Environmental rules are a pain in the rear, I agree, but I dont want to live in a world without them. If anything I would like to see the EPA change its tact. Right now they dont care so much about pollution as they do collecting fines (in a past life it was this way) Where I am now they seem to be more interested in doing away with pollution. They dont tell you how to do it they just say that it has to be brought down to certain levels. Which is actually quite nice. I have a very good relationship with the EPA and I work hard to maintain that. As long as a person does that, the EPA isnt that bad to deal with and I have dealt with them personally a lot. Yes their regulations cause you to spend money but I dont want to go back to times when companies would dispose of haz mat however they decided to. In Illinois the government has paid for wells, block chutes, filter strips and many other improvements to our farm so that we are in spec. There are all kinds of Gov programs available to rural people. My brother bought 60 acres of land and the government picked up the interest portion for the first 10 years to help him get started farming under their first time farm buyers program. Go down to your local FSA office and talk to them about all the programs available to help people out. Yes once you take their money you have to play by their rules but if you play they arent hard to deal with and actually can help you out. All these programs were started by groups in the flyover states. When I was back home I was involved with the local Soil and Water conservation board, the Farm Bureau board, PRC+D etc etc. These ideas are coming from farmers. Its easy to say “the gov is telling me how to do my job they need to get out of it!”, but when you look around and you realize that you are grazing your cattle on Federal property its your choice. That land belongs to the citizens of the USA we want the people that use it to use BMP’s to make sure it is going to be around for generations to come.
lynne says:
April 11th, 2010
3:49 pm
A certified manure hauler for the state of Illinois? That sounds like the start of a joke.
Gosh you must be busy.
CheriVNB says:
April 11th, 2010
4:22 pm
How did a discussion on the reverse discrimination and vilification of “some” in the name of fairness to “others” become a debate on farmers and government intervention? Forest for the trees boys!
What is passing now for public discourse is nothing more than jealous revenge and retribution politics. Propheted by our POTUS and his cronies. We are all being told to look to our neighbors across the street, tracks or town for “why” we are in dire straits. If INDIVIDUALS spent half as much time looking in the mirror, things could turn around. Each of us bears responsibility. It may not be fair, but responsibility never is, it bears great weight. Concern for our own futures cannot allow us to sacrifice the free and libertious future of others or our children. We live in a time of great cowardice, where the desire for greatness far exceeds and most individuals ability to achieve it.
I am petrified of the actions of this POTUS, his administration and legislature and look to my STATE legislature (therefore by default my neighbors) to help keep them at bay. Having had the fortune of living rurally and in the city, I see the advantages of both. Unfortunately the “City Slickers” out number rural folk in their coming destitution. Given their history of entitlement and lack of self-sufficiency, they will expect to be taken care of by “any means possible”. It matters little who is “better” it matters who survives and the principles carried forward.
The hatred of the left is ruinous. They try to hide behind those they “champion”, while using them for their own selfish gain and destruction of those they fear. They indulge their hate more than any perceived racist, neo-con etc. ever dreamed of. They only desire to control, control, control. ~C
oldmanriver says:
April 11th, 2010
4:29 pm
LOL Lynne its no joke, although I think that there are not nearly enough manure haulers in the State to keep up with the politicians in Chicago and Springfield. The harvest is great but the workers are few lol
CheriVNB says:
April 11th, 2010
4:51 pm
LBT,
I think you piece is very clever and right on. I have observed the phenomenon discribed long before I moved to the middle of nowhere.
I have had long dicussions with people who can only parrot what they have “learned” and only take action with an example to follow. Thank you for writing articulatly what you think. I appreciate it. ~C
oldmanriver says:
April 11th, 2010
5:02 pm
CheriNVB,
I guess what I was trying to get to is that I dont see reverse discrimination that everyone else does. I think that our President has been doing a decent job. I think that his administration has been an improvement over the previous one. Am I happy about everything no. Do I think he is going to save the world, no. Do I think things are getting better bit by bit, I think they are. Do I think that the previous administration was run by the devils minions, I dont think that either. I think that certain people on both sides stand to gain from ratcheting up the rhetoric. I was a life long Republican and I am completely disgusted with them now. I wouldnt call myself a liberal although a lot of people might, I dont really care what anyone thinks of me. I think the answers to our problems lie in the middle ground. We need to get spending under control. We need to get the problems healthcare under control or they will surely bankrupt us if we dont. We need to come to grips with military adventurism that we seem to be addicted to and with our role as the worlds policeman. I dont see a calculated attempt by liberals to take away liberties. I see a lot of hysterical people on both sides acting crazy. Thats what I see.
lynne says:
April 11th, 2010
8:54 pm
Racial or sexisst descrimination is wrong. No mater what the objectives are. We don’t a a racial mix we need folks that can do the job. If you can’t lift a body dummy and hose you have no place being a firefighter.
Get over it or get better. I know ladies that work their butts off to make the man rules. One standard and everyone meets it. None of this Pc crap, you can’t meet the standards, pick a different job.
I know in the Army I was respected cause I was a little fireplug and as a combat medic the boys new i’d save them or die trying. Plus I could lift them in full battle rattle cause I demonstrated I could. I did it to save my boys and showed others how to do it. You want easy fine. Just don’t make anyone else pay when you screw up!
CheriVNB says:
April 12th, 2010
2:42 pm
OMR Wrote:
“I dont see a calculated attempt by liberals to take away liberties. I see a lot of hysterical people on both sides acting crazy. Thats what I see.”
Then you aren’t looking. Spread your fingers and peek, then really look. I would suggest you are so used to it you no long notice when your freedom is curtailed. Forced to buy insurance for breathing at a price and standard set by the government and you don’t see “a calculated attempt by liberals to take away liberties.” They no longer even consider you have rights, that is how bad it is.
I can agree that there are “crazies” on both sides. A paragraph and 2 generalities makes communication hard. I say “liberals”, I mean the folks who tell you either you “can’t” or they “can’t” care for themselves, or follow the rules. The ones so worried about tomorrow they would shut down today. People who believe “Fairness” can be achieved. The best anyone can hope for is a level playing field. Even then you’ll find a slight slope. Hard work and perseverence remain the primary “secrets” of a successful life. Don’t tell me about people who started with more. I don’t care. Where will my efforts take me?
Yep, world is a mess. It will be a mess for a LONG time. There are no easy answers, and they can’t be found in holding others responsible and accountable for you.
Healthcare? How can we provide healthcare when the bases of health is diet? How can we expect people to have proper diet when people can grow and “cook” whatever they want? People who eat meat are more aggressive-let’s elliminate meat and dairy and milk, etc. Left… Left, right, left.
If a crazy person speaks the truth isn’t it still the truth? ~C
Roseagain says:
April 25th, 2010
6:45 am
Is it true that the healthcare bill includes an exemption for Muslims? I used to work as a prison nurse ~ and since there were special exmeptions for Muslim prisoners, on their ‘holy days’ ~ a whole lot of prisoners just ‘decided’ they were Muslim, and by claiming that, they were.
Seems like a good possibility that the Muslim population in America, might have a sudden increase ~ if doing so exempts them from the new healthcare bill, or it’s fines.
CheriVNB says:
April 27th, 2010
10:22 am
Now, if there was just a religion that didn’t believe in taxes and we could gain legitimate “conscientious objector” status.…~C Oooops did I type that out loud….
Jeff Senderling says:
November 20th, 2010
2:21 pm
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