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		<title>By: Ed Daras</title>
		<link>http://thetexasring.com/2010/04/08/no-apology-needed-for-virginia-governor-about-confederate-month/comment-page-1/#comment-477</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Daras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fiendowrst and foremost: are we endowed with a common language?</description>
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		<title>By: Ed Daras</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Daras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretense is always generally a mandatory prerequisite for Battaille.</description>
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		<title>By: Ed Daras</title>
		<link>http://thetexasring.com/2010/04/08/no-apology-needed-for-virginia-governor-about-confederate-month/comment-page-1/#comment-475</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Daras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if my life were merely valued at only today&#039;s going rate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if my life were merely valued at only today&#8217;s going rate?</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 04:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe it was Abe that said something to the effect that he would be president of all the states or none. If the South had said ok, we&#039;ll free the slaves, but we&#039;re still seceding, we still would have had the war. 

The prime directive of any organism, be it human, virus, or government, is to keep existing. States leaving was a threat to the survival of the federal government.

When it comes down to it, the war was fought over states rights. The was was fought over power. Slavery was only an excuse given. 

So anybody want to lay odds on what would happen if Idaho tried to secede? Even after the US federal government gave the Russians a hard time about letting some of their territories secede?

Few young soldiers in today&#039;s US military would question the order to open fire on Americans in armed rebellion. Think the fact that the Constitution does not allow it? They have not followed the Constitution in a very long time anyways, why would they start now? Some cops have said they would resist, but cops armed with pistols and a few assault rifles against troops armed with tanks or better?

Me thinks that there will be American blood spilled again as we transition into the next phase, where we get a dictator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe it was Abe that said something to the effect that he would be president of all the states or none. If the South had said ok, we&#8217;ll free the slaves, but we&#8217;re still seceding, we still would have had the war. </p>
<p>The prime directive of any organism, be it human, virus, or government, is to keep existing. States leaving was a threat to the survival of the federal government.</p>
<p>When it comes down to it, the war was fought over states rights. The was was fought over power. Slavery was only an excuse given. </p>
<p>So anybody want to lay odds on what would happen if Idaho tried to secede? Even after the US federal government gave the Russians a hard time about letting some of their territories secede?</p>
<p>Few young soldiers in today&#8217;s US military would question the order to open fire on Americans in armed rebellion. Think the fact that the Constitution does not allow it? They have not followed the Constitution in a very long time anyways, why would they start now? Some cops have said they would resist, but cops armed with pistols and a few assault rifles against troops armed with tanks or better?</p>
<p>Me thinks that there will be American blood spilled again as we transition into the next phase, where we get a dictator.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 17:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed,
Your simple question is bristling with philosophical potential for debate. Individually we may consider ourselves more than expendable tools, but depending on the point of view regarding others whom we directly and indirectly interact with I believe there is a sliding scale of perception regarding the value of any being as expendable. 

This argument can be made regarding deity as well. 

What it comes down to is the perception ultimately of those who have attained levels of power and influence that are able through their decisions effect happiness or misery upon more than just themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed,<br />
Your simple question is bristling with philosophical potential for debate. Individually we may consider ourselves more than expendable tools, but depending on the point of view regarding others whom we directly and indirectly interact with I believe there is a sliding scale of perception regarding the value of any being as expendable. </p>
<p>This argument can be made regarding deity as well. </p>
<p>What it comes down to is the perception ultimately of those who have attained levels of power and influence that are able through their decisions effect happiness or misery upon more than just themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Daras</title>
		<link>http://thetexasring.com/2010/04/08/no-apology-needed-for-virginia-governor-about-confederate-month/comment-page-1/#comment-396</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Daras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 03:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are human beings more than just expendable tools?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are human beings more than just expendable tools?</p>
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		<title>By: lynne</title>
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		<dc:creator>lynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 03:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like that we can agree on some conman ground.I think you and are more alike than dis alike. We are realists and we both know easy answers are hard to come buy.
I do wish we could have the open exchange of ideas in a public forum. We both learn a lot and find what we disagree about tends to be in degrees or shades of gray instead of black and white. So much of our discussion seems to be of shouting down our opponents no matter who they belong to politically. Winning the argument substitutes for a dialog.
I do prefer my history strait up not shaken or stirred. I&#039;m as guilty of that because I think I&#039;m fighting against revisionist history. 
I&#039;d agree with CVB but unless we can agree on a &quot;Truth&quot; perhaps admit some fault not because of evil intent but cause of a mistake. To many folks want to play class or race warfare, and try to punish the descendants of mistakes made prior to them being born. 
Should I be held as a murderer because my grandfather committed a murder? No one I know that is alive held a slave. So shouldn&#039;t we move beyond race. As we say in the Army there are no colors but Army Green. No Americans but the red,white and blue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like that we can agree on some conman ground.I think you and are more alike than dis alike. We are realists and we both know easy answers are hard to come buy.<br />
I do wish we could have the open exchange of ideas in a public forum. We both learn a lot and find what we disagree about tends to be in degrees or shades of gray instead of black and white. So much of our discussion seems to be of shouting down our opponents no matter who they belong to politically. Winning the argument substitutes for a dialog.<br />
I do prefer my history strait up not shaken or stirred. I&#8217;m as guilty of that because I think I&#8217;m fighting against revisionist history.<br />
I&#8217;d agree with CVB but unless we can agree on a &#8220;Truth&#8221; perhaps admit some fault not because of evil intent but cause of a mistake. To many folks want to play class or race warfare, and try to punish the descendants of mistakes made prior to them being born.<br />
Should I be held as a murderer because my grandfather committed a murder? No one I know that is alive held a slave. So shouldn&#8217;t we move beyond race. As we say in the Army there are no colors but Army Green. No Americans but the red,white and blue.</p>
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		<title>By: oldmanriver</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldmanriver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 23:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lynn,

I agree completely, the tragedy of the Civil War other than that it happened at all, was the aftermath that took place in the South.  The people of the North were not innocent, everyone was benefiting from slavery whether they owned slaves or not, north and south.  The freeing of slaves was done with no thought as how to integrate them into society.  It was not a simple matter of good guys and bad guys as there were enough of each on both sides to go around.  I think what I find offensive about the Governor of Virgina is that he is using this subject for political expediency.  He knows that if he can strike the right chord with people money will flow into his campaign coffers.  Of course he expected that people on the left would start howling and that he would have to amend his statement.  He probably had it drafted before he made the proclamation about Confederate Month, but he knows that if he can show that he is standing up to liberals then conservatives will throw money at him.  He wanted to create a stir and this was a very good way to do that.  Look at the congressman that yelled &quot;you lie!&quot; during the Presidents speech.  Money instantly started flowing to him.  He probably was not calculating on that and it was probably an honest emotional outburst, but now every politician has seen that.  They will act accordingly.  CheriNVB is correct, we must move on, we have much more pressing issues to deal with without having to rehash something that should have been over some 150 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynn,</p>
<p>I agree completely, the tragedy of the Civil War other than that it happened at all, was the aftermath that took place in the South.  The people of the North were not innocent, everyone was benefiting from slavery whether they owned slaves or not, north and south.  The freeing of slaves was done with no thought as how to integrate them into society.  It was not a simple matter of good guys and bad guys as there were enough of each on both sides to go around.  I think what I find offensive about the Governor of Virgina is that he is using this subject for political expediency.  He knows that if he can strike the right chord with people money will flow into his campaign coffers.  Of course he expected that people on the left would start howling and that he would have to amend his statement.  He probably had it drafted before he made the proclamation about Confederate Month, but he knows that if he can show that he is standing up to liberals then conservatives will throw money at him.  He wanted to create a stir and this was a very good way to do that.  Look at the congressman that yelled &#8220;you lie!&#8221; during the Presidents speech.  Money instantly started flowing to him.  He probably was not calculating on that and it was probably an honest emotional outburst, but now every politician has seen that.  They will act accordingly.  CheriNVB is correct, we must move on, we have much more pressing issues to deal with without having to rehash something that should have been over some 150 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: CheriVNB</title>
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		<dc:creator>CheriVNB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 21:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just watched the HBO mini series &quot;John Adams&quot;.  While I am not a historian and can&#039;t attest to any historical accuracy or inaccuracies, it was a great demonstration of the varied opinions of our founders, and the clashes of their personal and political ambitions.  Politics is the DISGUSTING endeavor of twisting facts and truth to appeal to dipolar interests to gain agreement for action, it has very little to do with fact and more to do with survival.  Sadly the people willing to do &quot;anything&quot; or &quot;whatever it takes&quot; will come out ahead simply due to political expediency.  
I do agree the continued indulgence in revisionist history of ALL types does little to further human responsibility and decency.  The cause of the Confederacy was states independence to decide their fate according to their needs and not have the will of &quot;other interests&quot; forced upon them.  The north did not fight the war to abolish slavery, but to secure the size of the union and their tax/tariff revenues.  All the impartiality and political correctness in the world can not help people who look to blame others.  Diversity means a divergence of ideas and interests, not the convergence and homogeneity of them.  Negating the Confederacy invalidates Virginas&#039; sense of determinism and impulses for self-governance.  That spirit should not be denied in confronting the past because it help propel this nation toward greatness on many fronts.  Slavery was and is wrong.  The past can not be changed.  We must move on.  Imagine if the colonists had continued to BLAME the British Monarchy on the &quot;Sesquicentennial Anniversary&quot; for perceived failings instead of the continued governmental evolution history records. C~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just watched the HBO mini series &#8220;John Adams&#8221;.  While I am not a historian and can&#8217;t attest to any historical accuracy or inaccuracies, it was a great demonstration of the varied opinions of our founders, and the clashes of their personal and political ambitions.  Politics is the DISGUSTING endeavor of twisting facts and truth to appeal to dipolar interests to gain agreement for action, it has very little to do with fact and more to do with survival.  Sadly the people willing to do &#8220;anything&#8221; or &#8220;whatever it takes&#8221; will come out ahead simply due to political expediency.<br />
I do agree the continued indulgence in revisionist history of ALL types does little to further human responsibility and decency.  The cause of the Confederacy was states independence to decide their fate according to their needs and not have the will of &#8220;other interests&#8221; forced upon them.  The north did not fight the war to abolish slavery, but to secure the size of the union and their tax/tariff revenues.  All the impartiality and political correctness in the world can not help people who look to blame others.  Diversity means a divergence of ideas and interests, not the convergence and homogeneity of them.  Negating the Confederacy invalidates Virginas&#8217; sense of determinism and impulses for self-governance.  That spirit should not be denied in confronting the past because it help propel this nation toward greatness on many fronts.  Slavery was and is wrong.  The past can not be changed.  We must move on.  Imagine if the colonists had continued to BLAME the British Monarchy on the &#8220;Sesquicentennial Anniversary&#8221; for perceived failings instead of the continued governmental evolution history records. C~</p>
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		<title>By: lynne</title>
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		<dc:creator>lynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 21:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>omr 
you are correct slavery was definatly the catalyst for the war. I do agree with that statement. I suppose that I disagree most with the attitude that everyone in the north was good and noble. While everyone in the South was evil. It was much more complicated issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>omr<br />
you are correct slavery was definatly the catalyst for the war. I do agree with that statement. I suppose that I disagree most with the attitude that everyone in the north was good and noble. While everyone in the South was evil. It was much more complicated issue.</p>
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