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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://thetexasring.com/2010/04/15/self-deception/comment-page-1/#comment-1091</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 14:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

1.  Plant a few trees for the next guy.  I&#039;ve &quot;left behind&quot; lots of fruit trees in my life.  &#039;sides, in terms of moving--you never know.

2.  Properly cared for, an engine will last forever.  You may have to resleve it, buy new pistons, etc., but the nice thing about V.W. engines is you get a friend, unbolt 4 bolts, and lift it out of the car.  You then replace it with one from a junk yard that you have rebuilt at your leisure.  They are quite cheap since there were hundreds of thousands of them built.  Check out e-bay.  Some were rebuilt before being put into the vehicle--or at least such is claimed.  They are simple and easy to work on.  (You need metric tools.)

If that&#039;s not your cup of tea, get one powered by a pinto or mustang engine/drive train.

Like I sed, check out the &quot;kit car&quot; section on e-bay.

3.  In terms of drying foods, micro-waves also work.  If you go the light bulb route, you can vary the temperature by either a light switch rheostat or by changing the wattage.  I found that 2 - 100 watt bulbs worked just fine and saw no need to vary the temp.  It drives the box I described to about 100 degrees inside where the temperature is 70 degrees.  Of course, the actual temperature inside the box will vary according to the temperature outside the box.  Youse ain&#039;t gonna do much drying in 10 degree weather--but then you can freeze it.

Be sure and shield the bulbs from food dropping on them.  I used #10 fruit juice cans.  I cut the top and bottom out and fastened them to the bottom of the box.  (Don&#039;t use epoxy--it&#039;s heat sensitive.) Then I positioned the bulbs so that they were &quot;inside&quot; the cans.

Be sure and cover the ventilation holes with scrap fiber glass screening.  Drying fruit attracts every insect for miles.  In the same vein, if you can put a couple of &quot;rails&quot; under the box and lift it an inch or two off the ground, it also help discourage insects.

The are quite easy to make.

always,
tony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>1.  Plant a few trees for the next guy.  I&#8217;ve &#8220;left behind&#8221; lots of fruit trees in my life.  &#8216;sides, in terms of moving&#8211;you never know.</p>
<p>2.  Properly cared for, an engine will last forever.  You may have to resleve it, buy new pistons, etc., but the nice thing about V.W. engines is you get a friend, unbolt 4 bolts, and lift it out of the car.  You then replace it with one from a junk yard that you have rebuilt at your leisure.  They are quite cheap since there were hundreds of thousands of them built.  Check out e-bay.  Some were rebuilt before being put into the vehicle&#8211;or at least such is claimed.  They are simple and easy to work on.  (You need metric tools.)</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s not your cup of tea, get one powered by a pinto or mustang engine/drive train.</p>
<p>Like I sed, check out the &#8220;kit car&#8221; section on e-bay.</p>
<p>3.  In terms of drying foods, micro-waves also work.  If you go the light bulb route, you can vary the temperature by either a light switch rheostat or by changing the wattage.  I found that 2 &#8211; 100 watt bulbs worked just fine and saw no need to vary the temp.  It drives the box I described to about 100 degrees inside where the temperature is 70 degrees.  Of course, the actual temperature inside the box will vary according to the temperature outside the box.  Youse ain&#8217;t gonna do much drying in 10 degree weather&#8211;but then you can freeze it.</p>
<p>Be sure and shield the bulbs from food dropping on them.  I used #10 fruit juice cans.  I cut the top and bottom out and fastened them to the bottom of the box.  (Don&#8217;t use epoxy&#8211;it&#8217;s heat sensitive.) Then I positioned the bulbs so that they were &#8220;inside&#8221; the cans.</p>
<p>Be sure and cover the ventilation holes with scrap fiber glass screening.  Drying fruit attracts every insect for miles.  In the same vein, if you can put a couple of &#8220;rails&#8221; under the box and lift it an inch or two off the ground, it also help discourage insects.</p>
<p>The are quite easy to make.</p>
<p>always,<br />
tony</p>
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		<title>By: James the Wanderer</title>
		<link>http://thetexasring.com/2010/04/15/self-deception/comment-page-1/#comment-1065</link>
		<dc:creator>James the Wanderer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 03:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome, Tony!
     Man, this thread has a life of its own. Over two months now, heading for three....
     Agree with you on tools and plants. Not so sure about cars, seems to me if the engine has already outlasted the original VW, won&#039;t it break soon?
     I haven&#039;t dried much yet, but if this season&#039;s crops of tomatoes and Bell peppers and strawberries come in, I may need to...
     I like charcoal grilling more than solar cooking, but any port in a storm. Also have a NICE stainless-steel grill that my wife patiently outwaited the Kroger&#039;s into end-of-season sale at HER price, need to buy a few propane cylinders for it.
     I probably will leave this place in a year or so, but will definitely plant fruit trees at the NEXT place ... wherever it is.
     Good to meet you, Tony, and welcome aboard!
james</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome, Tony!<br />
     Man, this thread has a life of its own. Over two months now, heading for three&#8230;.<br />
     Agree with you on tools and plants. Not so sure about cars, seems to me if the engine has already outlasted the original VW, won&#8217;t it break soon?<br />
     I haven&#8217;t dried much yet, but if this season&#8217;s crops of tomatoes and Bell peppers and strawberries come in, I may need to&#8230;<br />
     I like charcoal grilling more than solar cooking, but any port in a storm. Also have a NICE stainless-steel grill that my wife patiently outwaited the Kroger&#8217;s into end-of-season sale at HER price, need to buy a few propane cylinders for it.<br />
     I probably will leave this place in a year or so, but will definitely plant fruit trees at the NEXT place &#8230; wherever it is.<br />
     Good to meet you, Tony, and welcome aboard!<br />
james</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://thetexasring.com/2010/04/15/self-deception/comment-page-1/#comment-1063</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 02:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting line of comments.  Here&#039;s a few things to consider:

1.  Tony&#039;s law is that you ALWAYS get your &quot;money&#039;s worth&quot; out of two things--tools and plants.  With tools, it&#039;s not &quot;if&quot; you will use it, it&#039;s WHEN you will use it.  With plants, they will yield &quot;results&quot; for years--either food or beauty.

2.  Looking for a &quot;good&quot; car?  Try some of the &quot;kit cars&quot; on e-bay.  Many are &quot;simple&quot;, powered by a VW engine, do not need smog devices (too old), and are easy to work on.

3.  Food storage??  How come nobody &quot;drys&quot; things.  Make a &quot;box&quot; out of pressboard (or other cheap material), put in a couple of light bulbs, drill some holes in the bottom and cut a hole in the top.  Get some fiberglass screening and make some racks.  (Do NOT use aluminum screening unless you like aluminum tasting food.)

It works by convection.  The bulbs on the bottom of the box heat the air, which rises and goes out the top hole, which draws &quot;fresh air&quot; in from the holes in the bottom.  The rising air carries away the moisture.

Mine was 2 feet square and 18 inches high.  I had 4 racks, each 2 x 2 for 16 square feet of drying area.  I dried everything from apples to squash--even tomatoes.

4.  Consider making a solar oven.  Many plans on the net.

5.  Plant some fruit trees.  The sooner the better.

rebel without a job,
tony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting line of comments.  Here&#8217;s a few things to consider:</p>
<p>1.  Tony&#8217;s law is that you ALWAYS get your &#8220;money&#8217;s worth&#8221; out of two things&#8211;tools and plants.  With tools, it&#8217;s not &#8220;if&#8221; you will use it, it&#8217;s WHEN you will use it.  With plants, they will yield &#8220;results&#8221; for years&#8211;either food or beauty.</p>
<p>2.  Looking for a &#8220;good&#8221; car?  Try some of the &#8220;kit cars&#8221; on e-bay.  Many are &#8220;simple&#8221;, powered by a VW engine, do not need smog devices (too old), and are easy to work on.</p>
<p>3.  Food storage??  How come nobody &#8220;drys&#8221; things.  Make a &#8220;box&#8221; out of pressboard (or other cheap material), put in a couple of light bulbs, drill some holes in the bottom and cut a hole in the top.  Get some fiberglass screening and make some racks.  (Do NOT use aluminum screening unless you like aluminum tasting food.)</p>
<p>It works by convection.  The bulbs on the bottom of the box heat the air, which rises and goes out the top hole, which draws &#8220;fresh air&#8221; in from the holes in the bottom.  The rising air carries away the moisture.</p>
<p>Mine was 2 feet square and 18 inches high.  I had 4 racks, each 2 x 2 for 16 square feet of drying area.  I dried everything from apples to squash&#8211;even tomatoes.</p>
<p>4.  Consider making a solar oven.  Many plans on the net.</p>
<p>5.  Plant some fruit trees.  The sooner the better.</p>
<p>rebel without a job,<br />
tony</p>
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		<title>By: lynne</title>
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		<dc:creator>lynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 06:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I&#039;m passionate about this subject and I have posted a lot as you all know. I want to be a helper and not a &quot;wingnut&quot;. If I am wrong I want to know. I don&#039;t think I am plus you get all kinds of saving money ideas, cook real food, grow your own gandens and learn som new skills. 
I see this as win/ win and I&#039;m still just a wingnut. :)
I still can&#039;t figure if the &quot;Media&quot; hates me because I&#039;m a Tea Partier or loves me cause I&#039;m &quot;green&quot; in trying to create a sustainable life. 
What a happy thought I may keep Big Sis Nepalitano up nites wondering...
Well if she is capable of being kept up nites. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I&#8217;m passionate about this subject and I have posted a lot as you all know. I want to be a helper and not a &#8220;wingnut&#8221;. If I am wrong I want to know. I don&#8217;t think I am plus you get all kinds of saving money ideas, cook real food, grow your own gandens and learn som new skills.<br />
I see this as win/ win and I&#8217;m still just a wingnut. <img src='http://thetexasring.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I still can&#8217;t figure if the &#8220;Media&#8221; hates me because I&#8217;m a Tea Partier or loves me cause I&#8217;m &#8220;green&#8221; in trying to create a sustainable life.<br />
What a happy thought I may keep Big Sis Nepalitano up nites wondering&#8230;<br />
Well if she is capable of being kept up nites. <img src='http://thetexasring.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: lynne</title>
		<link>http://thetexasring.com/2010/04/15/self-deception/comment-page-1/#comment-479</link>
		<dc:creator>lynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2010 02:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a prepper means even if we all guess wrong on the economy stays good we still win. You can survive and thrive in any natural disaster. You can eat well if you lose an income. You are ready with 1st aid kits and blankets, lighting,heat and security. Your family can travel with some security in bad weather. You are investing and have insurance not for when you die but gives you tools to live. Let&#039;s say you don&#039;t have to buy groceries for 2 months. You can spend that money on all kinds of items for the family. Take the kids shopping now and let them find the bargains. What a great opportunity of teaching them some basic economics, budgets and finding deals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a prepper means even if we all guess wrong on the economy stays good we still win. You can survive and thrive in any natural disaster. You can eat well if you lose an income. You are ready with 1st aid kits and blankets, lighting,heat and security. Your family can travel with some security in bad weather. You are investing and have insurance not for when you die but gives you tools to live. Let&#8217;s say you don&#8217;t have to buy groceries for 2 months. You can spend that money on all kinds of items for the family. Take the kids shopping now and let them find the bargains. What a great opportunity of teaching them some basic economics, budgets and finding deals.</p>
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		<title>By: jlsim66</title>
		<link>http://thetexasring.com/2010/04/15/self-deception/comment-page-1/#comment-469</link>
		<dc:creator>jlsim66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 03:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m always amazed at some of costs of some &quot;Survival Kits&#039; I saw a little car kit made out of a small (shoebox size)container that cost $40.00 and did not incude a stove. To expensive!! 
I know because I made several similar setups for my &quot;barter box&quot; and something to give family members. It cost me about $20.00 for all. My setup includes a stove, matches, candles, a 1st aid kit, food, spices and emergency blankets. Plus a few (safety)razor blades, sewing kit and some odds and ends. Looking to add some snare wires and fishing items next month. 
I am for stacking the odds in my favor. I carry a tool kit that has a bow saw, plus a hatchet, basic tool kit, tape and rope and a little solar charger to keep the battery going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m always amazed at some of costs of some &#8220;Survival Kits&#8217; I saw a little car kit made out of a small (shoebox size)container that cost $40.00 and did not incude a stove. To expensive!!<br />
I know because I made several similar setups for my &#8220;barter box&#8221; and something to give family members. It cost me about $20.00 for all. My setup includes a stove, matches, candles, a 1st aid kit, food, spices and emergency blankets. Plus a few (safety)razor blades, sewing kit and some odds and ends. Looking to add some snare wires and fishing items next month.<br />
I am for stacking the odds in my favor. I carry a tool kit that has a bow saw, plus a hatchet, basic tool kit, tape and rope and a little solar charger to keep the battery going.</p>
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		<title>By: jlsim66</title>
		<link>http://thetexasring.com/2010/04/15/self-deception/comment-page-1/#comment-461</link>
		<dc:creator>jlsim66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 05:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been doing this for about 18 months and I consider myself still new to the &quot;self-reliance/prepper&quot; movement. I have learned so much, and still have much to learn. I do have a few pet peeves about the movement.
The reliance on MREs or premade meals. The bread sucks, there is nothing better than having good food come off the grill or out of an oven. You know what you like so you should cater to you and your families need and not some dietitian from the Army.
I prefer whole foods or at least those with minimal processing. I&#039;m not saying there is no place for MREs or other prepackaged foods. But in USArmy I and others craved real food. Salts, fats and spices. Trust me after a couple couple of weeks of eating MREs you will commit Assault and Battery for a twinkie or some chips. It&#039;s so much better if you have the ability to make and cook these items everyday at home rather than depend on a delivery schedule. You can make your own marshmallows and chocolate bars, have some graham crackers stored and you can make s&#039;mores. Corn tortillas soaked overnight in a little lime juice, and a bit of Cayenne pepper fry up as great chips. It does take a little knowledge a bit of hardware to do these things but if nothing happens you know what your food contains and you get to make good choices, you save money, and you stick a finger in the eye of the US government that tries to control you.
Just remember the &quot;Comfort foods&quot; idea. Usually made from scratch ingredients, low and slow cooking or smoking. Plus you are making a statement about &quot;comfort&quot;. I&#039;m good with reducing stress and promoting comfort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been doing this for about 18 months and I consider myself still new to the &#8220;self-reliance/prepper&#8221; movement. I have learned so much, and still have much to learn. I do have a few pet peeves about the movement.<br />
The reliance on MREs or premade meals. The bread sucks, there is nothing better than having good food come off the grill or out of an oven. You know what you like so you should cater to you and your families need and not some dietitian from the Army.<br />
I prefer whole foods or at least those with minimal processing. I&#8217;m not saying there is no place for MREs or other prepackaged foods. But in USArmy I and others craved real food. Salts, fats and spices. Trust me after a couple couple of weeks of eating MREs you will commit Assault and Battery for a twinkie or some chips. It&#8217;s so much better if you have the ability to make and cook these items everyday at home rather than depend on a delivery schedule. You can make your own marshmallows and chocolate bars, have some graham crackers stored and you can make s&#8217;mores. Corn tortillas soaked overnight in a little lime juice, and a bit of Cayenne pepper fry up as great chips. It does take a little knowledge a bit of hardware to do these things but if nothing happens you know what your food contains and you get to make good choices, you save money, and you stick a finger in the eye of the US government that tries to control you.<br />
Just remember the &#8220;Comfort foods&#8221; idea. Usually made from scratch ingredients, low and slow cooking or smoking. Plus you are making a statement about &#8220;comfort&#8221;. I&#8217;m good with reducing stress and promoting comfort.</p>
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		<title>By: lynne</title>
		<link>http://thetexasring.com/2010/04/15/self-deception/comment-page-1/#comment-454</link>
		<dc:creator>lynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 03:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a foodsaver and the widemouth jar attachment, what a great item to have on hand. I think your expiration times are a little short. But I do store mine stuff away from light and in a cool place. Whole grains can last 25 years or longer when packed properly.
But I agree with you on the rotation being critical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a foodsaver and the widemouth jar attachment, what a great item to have on hand. I think your expiration times are a little short. But I do store mine stuff away from light and in a cool place. Whole grains can last 25 years or longer when packed properly.<br />
But I agree with you on the rotation being critical.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
		<link>http://thetexasring.com/2010/04/15/self-deception/comment-page-1/#comment-453</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 00:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lynne, you&#039;re right. It&#039;s fairly easy to start with just what you have on hand and know such as Tupperware. Even if it&#039;s small, it&#039;s still better than doing nothing, hoping the government will come bail you out. And almost anybody can afford to put a small amount of extra food aside each month. (Except maybe on any month that April 15th falls in)

Something that can help extend storage life for such things as powdered milk, powdered eggs, flour, etc, is a vacuum packer. You can pick up an inexpensive one for under $50, or look around in garage sales to find one even cheaper. Non fat non instant powdered milk that I buy in bulk 50lb bags has an expiration date on it of about 6 months. Vacuum packing it can make it last up to 18 months. Still not a long time, but if you are rotating your stock and something happens, that&#039;s still more milk that you might not otherwise have for a few months longer than you might otherwise get it to last for.

Some other things, like rice that is not totally devoid of nutrition by processing only lasts for 6 months as well due to the extra oil content, can also have it&#039;s shelf life extended by the same thing. Buying powdered eggs in bulk saves more than enough over canned, if you repackage them the same way. 

Etc, etc, etc..... Even/especially when you&#039;re as poor as me, a vacuum packer is almost a requirement. It helps prolong storage life on foods that are cheaper to buy than freeze dried meals. Don&#039;t last quite as long, but you need to rotate through them anyways, and it&#039;s better than the nothing else that we can afford.

BTW usaemergencysupply.com is a good company to deal with for some of these things.

Another thing you might consider, especially if you live in a city, is a small generator, but large enough to run what you need, with some fuel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynne, you&#8217;re right. It&#8217;s fairly easy to start with just what you have on hand and know such as Tupperware. Even if it&#8217;s small, it&#8217;s still better than doing nothing, hoping the government will come bail you out. And almost anybody can afford to put a small amount of extra food aside each month. (Except maybe on any month that April 15th falls in)</p>
<p>Something that can help extend storage life for such things as powdered milk, powdered eggs, flour, etc, is a vacuum packer. You can pick up an inexpensive one for under $50, or look around in garage sales to find one even cheaper. Non fat non instant powdered milk that I buy in bulk 50lb bags has an expiration date on it of about 6 months. Vacuum packing it can make it last up to 18 months. Still not a long time, but if you are rotating your stock and something happens, that&#8217;s still more milk that you might not otherwise have for a few months longer than you might otherwise get it to last for.</p>
<p>Some other things, like rice that is not totally devoid of nutrition by processing only lasts for 6 months as well due to the extra oil content, can also have it&#8217;s shelf life extended by the same thing. Buying powdered eggs in bulk saves more than enough over canned, if you repackage them the same way. </p>
<p>Etc, etc, etc&#8230;.. Even/especially when you&#8217;re as poor as me, a vacuum packer is almost a requirement. It helps prolong storage life on foods that are cheaper to buy than freeze dried meals. Don&#8217;t last quite as long, but you need to rotate through them anyways, and it&#8217;s better than the nothing else that we can afford.</p>
<p>BTW usaemergencysupply.com is a good company to deal with for some of these things.</p>
<p>Another thing you might consider, especially if you live in a city, is a small generator, but large enough to run what you need, with some fuel.</p>
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		<title>By: lynne</title>
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		<dc:creator>lynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 06:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember it&#039;s just like eating an elephant, just 1 bite at a time. I started with Heavyduty food grade food storage bags in the 1-2 gallon range and 10-18 gallon tupperware containers for my food storage. I started with rice, beans and flour in bulk and I started adding to it. I do like rice, beans and baking breads. Then I started adding foods I liked that I found on sale(Pasta, Meats, lentils etc.). Plus lots of spices and sauces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember it&#8217;s just like eating an elephant, just 1 bite at a time. I started with Heavyduty food grade food storage bags in the 1-2 gallon range and 10-18 gallon tupperware containers for my food storage. I started with rice, beans and flour in bulk and I started adding to it. I do like rice, beans and baking breads. Then I started adding foods I liked that I found on sale(Pasta, Meats, lentils etc.). Plus lots of spices and sauces.</p>
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